Thursday, January 15, 2026

Early Church fathers: LDS vs Catholic

 

Among the early church fathers and New Testament you will find 1) creation ex materia 2) subordinationism 3) pre existence of souls 4) secret rituals 5) Baptisms for the dead 6) theosis You will not find 1) the papacy 2) purgatory 3) The assumption of Mary 4) Praying to saints 5) an infallible teaching office 6) a closed canon The uniquely Catholic doctrines are far demonstrably less evident in the early church than uniquely LDS doctrines.


Saturday, January 10, 2026

Facsimile 3, figure 5

 


On to Figure 5 of Facsimile 3. Joseph Smith interprets this as: "Fig. 5. Shulem, one of the king’s principal waiters, as represented by the characters above his hand." Blatantly Anti-Mormon and extremely biased Egyptologist Ritner interprets this as: "Wsjr jrj mꜣꜥ-ḫrw r ḏ.t" “The Osiris Hor, justified forever.” LDS Egyptologist Rhodes gets something similar: "Wsjr jrj mꜣꜥ-ḫrw r ḏ.t" Osiris Hor, justified forever. We will start with the Osiris glyphs here, primarily the eye. 1. The eye sign (D4) will use Kurth's alternate sound vale of "R." Shulem is a blatant semitic name, the scribe who redacted and transmitted the Book of Abraham papyri and Facsimiles has so far spelled out Semitic names and obscured them via anagram. 2. The throne sign (Q1) is next and we will use the alternate sound value of "S." Throne is spelled st, and usually the premier consonant is also an alternate sound value. In Ptolemaic enigmatic writing, foreign/Semitic names are often spelled out with Egyptian signs, and sibilant ambiguity (s/š) allows the "S" to be the sh sound, Š. 3. The next sign is the cultic flag/god sign (R8). Kurth provides the alternate sound value as n. I wondered if there was some consonantal confusion and another person who also studies Ptolemaic writing provided the following. To quote Serge Rosmorduc: "During the whole history of the Egyptian language, many consonants, originally distinct, are more or less merged. We all know that the ṯ/t distinction was more or less lost as early as Middle Egyptian. Late Egyptian helps a lot here, because many of the “confusions” in Ptolemaic already occur in this stage of the language...Note that the word confusion is a bit misleading. The confusions of signs with similar shapes is probably not a mistake of the hierogrammates. The word plays and etymologies we find in the glosses of religious texts show that they understood similarities as meaningful. Hence, those “confusions” were probably often a deliberate choice." He then lists n to m as a common merged consonant. We'll then go with "M." 4. Falcon (G5) — there were 5 different alternate sound values to choose from. We are looking for something related to chief/principal or servant/butler/attendant. Both of these appear as options via the sounds value. The 3rd Century BC author of the papyri is named Hor, and chief in Egyptian just happens to be ḥry. We'll us that. 5. Duck in Flight (G40) — There were 9 different sound values here and servant shows up, bꜣ, or wbꜣ, meaning servant/butler/chamberlain. 6. Feather (H6) — the name of this glyph is spelled out šwt, this same vocalization also means "word/utterance." A possible alternative sound value also stood for the word "throwing stick." This is important because in Ancient Egyptian art the throwing stick represented the person was a Western Asiatic, which Shulem was. 7. Oar (P8) — The alternate sound value for this can be mdw, meaning speech. The word value here phonetically is similar to the word "embrace." Voice and hand were other matches. Big temple themes. 8. Mouth(D21) — The typical alternate sound values for the mouth glyph are r, rꜣ, phr, and jw. We will choose rꜣ "mouth." 9. Serpent/Cobra (I10) — The possible sound values for the serpent are "f, r, s, t, t, d, d3, ḏ, ḏḏ, ḏt." We will choose .f meaning "his." 10. Bread Loaf(X1) — These are the possible sound values, j, t, ṯ, d, ḏ. We will choose j, meaning I (first personal pronoun). 11. Land/Earth(N16) — These are the possible sound values discovered by Egyptologists Fairman, Drioton, and Kurth, "j, t, tjw, ṯ, d, ḏ, t3." We will choose tjw, meaning answer/praise/response. If we put this together we get: "ŠRM, ḥry wbꜣ, šwt-mdw rꜣ=f tjw j" "Shulem, chief chamberlain, when he (Pharaoh) speaks, I answer [Here am I]" In the context of the facsimile if the Pharaoh and Prince are in the picture, then the chamberlain must be at their service. I added "Here am I," but thematically it makes sense.








Early Church fathers: LDS vs Catholic

  Thoughtful-Faith @ThoughtfulSaint · 1h Among the early church fathers and New Testament you will find 1) creation ex materia 2) subordina...